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Wikimania tour of Rahul Desmukh -take
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Mallikarjuna S J
2018-09-14 10:26:10 UTC
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Dear All,

I'm a newbie user.

On Wiki Mania Travel Issue:

I fear, what can get solved with a Hangout/IRC is draining us all for more
than a month.
We're washing dirty linen over community list, assuming

1. each person who receives it, is reading the same with interest


Purely in the interest of resolution,

3-4 point Agenda & a Calendar Hit seems best way to sort this..

We're all in this together.
we must all hang together or most assuredly we will all hang separately.

Can the community elders, facilitate one, to crease out differences?

With all the grace, benevolence & emotions being displayed over emails,
surely, this issue can be sorted out.

--
With Regards,
Mallikarjuna S J,

Confusion is Happiness.
- Yogaraja Bhat in Paramaathma.
Wikimedia India is an Indian organization, and the Wikimedia Foundation
does not have a say in its internal governance. It does, of course, have
great *influence*, insofar as it is historically its biggest funder, and in
that it can revoke its recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate. I state this
just for clarity, so that no one is confused about WMF's role in this
discussion. This is a matter for Wikimedia India and the communities in
India which it exists to serve, and not a WMF matter.
However, since you ask me directly, Abhinav, yes, I think this public
inquiry (which was brought up respectfully and patiently, and only became
shrill because of *your* ad hominem responses) is perfectly acceptable, and
an office bearer's accountability is a duty that cannot be argued away by
invoking "privacy". Rahul's travel was not private, but made *as* an office
bearer, and there can be no privacy concern about it.
I agree with Srikar: your repeated tactic of attempting to discredit the
people who raised concerns is inappropriate, aggressive, uncollegial,
unhelpful, and for those not convinced of your good faith, also probably
suggesting an attempt to cover something up or change the subject by any
means necessary.
Now, *I myself* trust there is no reason to cover anything up. As I
already said earlier in this thread, if a mistake was made, it can be
openly admitted; in my experience Wikimedians are exceptionally open and
forgiving when faced with honest admission of error or bad judgment. And if
no mistake was made, then clarifications can be offered and understanding
and trust regained.
Rahul has now explained the circumstances of his non-responsiveness, and
people have expressed understanding and patience, while declining his
suggestion that this should be discussed privately. Rahul now can take the
time he needs to explain his actions to the community, which is the
constituency he is to serve.
Cheers,
A.
Perhaps it would be advisable to hear from Mr Asaf Bartov and if we can
throw some light.
Whether best practices call for taking name publicly or should the
concerned persons approach CIS and WMIN and get the details.
Abhinav
It is necessary my friend. Name game business is no sign of maturity.
Rest, report has already been shared.
Affcom member who is selected and not elected showing biases concerns
me. This chapter only made him a featured wikimedians and assisted him and
his friends. His friend has also acknowledged the help on this thread when
EC members paid from their pocket to support him. He still hasn't finished
the report but we don't do sensationalism.
http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Equipment_Lending_and_
Community_Support/Report/2016/Bodhisattwa
Post Script : Just a general though based on today morning newspapers.
India has become a hub of online trolling where one asks the other to
respond. I am happy they are restricted to social media and not us here.
I personally respect you for your work on en Wikipedia and also helping
the chapter. I will not reply if you feel so. Suggestion taken.
Abhinav
On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 10:34 PM Srikar Kashyap Pulipaka, <
<Just a random observation>
Dear Abhinav,
I feel you have been overly enthusiastic in responding to the mails in
this thread. I clearly don't find *anything* personal and offensive in
Satdeep's email. That was a totally uncalled for attack on him. It is
indeed true that Rahul must answer a few questions raised in this thread
*himself*. I strongly suggest that we let Rahul address all the concerns
himself in this thread once and for all. I don't expect your reply to this
mail and hope you don't too. It's not necessary.
Thanks
Srikar
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:19 PM Abhinav srivastava <
Comrade Satdeep,
Respect one's personal privacy. You can approach CIS-A2K or Mr
Deshmukh and WMIN and know who invited. Rest, report and documentation has
already been shared. You can also write on the discussion page on Meta
where report has been shared and find out, if you really want an
individual's name public. I am not convinced why an international
volunteers name need to be called.
You are not even an elected member at Affcom, if my memory serves me
correctly. You did not hold any work experience which was written as
mandatory for the office you are holding. I am not sure if you shared any
report for the Hindi contractual job. You want to discuss everything about
you on a personal mail.
Why the difference?
Abhinav
Hi Rahul,
It's very sad to hear about your loss. I totally understand how
difficult it must have been for you and rest of your family.
Thanks a lot responding to this thread. I understand your request to
personally email you but there are many unanswered questions such as
information about the inviting organization, reporting etc. in this thread
and it would be better if you can answer all the questions one by one in
one email on this thread itself.
Let me know if you need any help in collecting all the questions in
one email. I am available to help you. Otherwise, just go through the whole
thread (which will provide you with enough context as well).
I agree with you that this discussion will help WMIN and the larger
wikimedia community as well. It will also help us ensure more transparency
in our processes.
Looking forward to hear from you! Thank you once again for taking out
some time to reply here. I believe you must not be fully available yet. So,
take your time and respond whenever you can in the coming weeks.
Best
Satdeep
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 7:09 PM Rahul Deshmukh <
*Dear all,*
*I am extremely sorry to inform you that my younger cousin brother
passed away last Friday from severe medical complications. He was just 38
and had been hospitalised for several weeks in critical stage. *
*Being engrossed in the family issue I was not able to reply the
thread for which I am extremely sorry.*
*Regarding the issue as discussed in the thread I had requested for
sponsorship with all needful information from external funding agency CIS,
and CIS agreed to it. Wikimedia India did not spend any fund from its
account. *
*However this discussion will be helpful for Wikimedia India while
disseminating WMIN’s funds in future. *
*In case someone wants any other information in this regard I would
request community members to personally email me.*
*Thanks*
*Rahul Deshmukh*
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Subhashish Panigrahi <
Just a technical clarification - Asaf copied Rahul in his first
emai so he must have received the email. I have copied Rahul again. In
worst case scenario (if he is not there in the mailing list), others from
the chapter board would have informed him. It’s very hard to believe that
the discussion has gone so far without Rahul not being aware Also, it’s
important for movement partner reps to be on mailing lists of their own
country.
My bad. Haven't noticed Rahul is also marked in the mails.
Sorry, I don’t find the argument — that Rahul hasn’t replied back
because he isn’t there in the mailing list — a strong one.
Completely agree that he should reply.
Regards
-Sudhanwa
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